Jan 4, 2017

CES 2017 Honor Double Or Nothing Live Blog

04:46PM EST - We're here at Honor's CES event, Double or Nothing

04:47PM EST - Double is referring to cameras

04:47PM EST - Ian on pictures, Josh on text

04:48PM EST - We __have a group interview with George Zhao, CEO of Honor, later today. Submit your questions...

04:49PM EST - Event is set to start at 2pm

04:50PM EST - Venue is basically full

04:59PM EST - Funky guitar solo as we lead up to the start - very millennial.

05:00PM EST - Looks like the Honor 6X is getting announced here.

05:02PM EST - We don't really __have video so I'll just settle by saying that there's a lot of epileptic video and bass

05:02PM EST - The Honor brand stands for those who are brave enough and bold enough to be themselves - MC on stage

05:03PM EST - George Zhao takes the stage

05:03PM EST - Last year they launched the Honor 5X here in the US

05:03PM EST - "100M fans and users worldwide"

05:04PM EST - "Honor 'net promoter score' on par with Apple in China"

05:05PM EST - "Our customers become Honor promoter"

05:05PM EST - Claims brand satisfaction is higher than Apple and Samsung

05:06PM EST - Claims Honor is the leading smartphone e-brand

05:07PM EST - "We studied the global young people"

05:08PM EST - Announcing Honor 6X

05:10PM EST - Discussing the various new things Honor have introduced

05:10PM EST - Dual camera, smart key, octa-core with LTE cat 6

05:11PM EST - "We are glad iPhone 7 Plus has dual camera"

05:12PM EST - During Chinese Black Friday, 320M in sales, 40% increase from last year

05:13PM EST - Note

05:14PM EST - 11M Honor 5X sold globally

05:14PM EST - 1.5M Honor 8 sold in 50 days

05:15PM EST - Best selling phone during Black Friday for Amazon Germany, 15k sold in US, etc

05:17PM EST - Honor 6X "Double or Nothing"

05:18PM EST - Dual camera, fingerprint reader, looks to be aluminum unibody sandblasted finish, microUSB 2 still

05:19PM EST - "Bezier curve-inspired design"

05:20PM EST - Front glass is 2.5D curved glass as is popular in smartphone design right now

05:20PM EST - Three colors gold, silver, gray

05:22PM EST - Dual lens is 12MP, 2MP, 6P lenses, PDAF

05:24PM EST - They're showing a demo photo with some obvious defects in how it's being blurred...

05:25PM EST - 12MP sensor is 1.25 micron pixel size

05:26PM EST - Camera has f/2.2 aperture it looks like

05:29PM EST - Honor 6X will be able to use a "Honor Tripod Selfie Stick".

05:30PM EST - 3/4GB RAM

05:31PM EST - 32/64GB eMMC 5.1

05:31PM EST - MicroSD, dual SIM

05:31PM EST - Kirin 655 16nm octa-core

05:31PM EST - Claim 65% performance increase over 5X

05:31PM EST - "Smart file system"

05:32PM EST - This is shared with Mate 9

05:33PM EST - Claiming that their app launch performance is better than the competition

05:33PM EST - 5.5" FHD display

05:34PM EST - Advertising CABC and what seems to be saturation boost in video

05:35PM EST - Night mode to reduce color temperature and reduce brightness of the display

05:35PM EST - This is carried over from Mate9, seems to be an EmUI feature

05:36PM EST - "Wi-Fi Bridge"

05:36PM EST - So the Honor 6X acts as a WiFi repeater to try and extend coverage

05:37PM EST - Up to 4 devices can connect to the Honor 6X

05:37PM EST - Standard EmotionUI features like split screen, screen recording, and scroll capture

05:39PM EST - 3340 mAh battery, 680 Wh/L power density

05:39PM EST - 500 charging cycles supported, won't catch fire apparently

05:41PM EST - Low voltage backlight, Apical-style CABC for sunlight visibility

05:41PM EST - I5 coprocessor for step counting and other low power background tasks

05:43PM EST - Battery life claimed is roughly comparable to iPhone 6s Plus, 2.15 vs 2.08 days of use.

05:46PM EST - Process is probably 16FFC to meet cost targets

05:46PM EST - 3/32 SKU is 250 USD, 4/64 SKU is 300 USD

05:48PM EST - That's a wrap

The Intel Core i5-7600K (91W) Review: The More Amenable Mainstream Performer

The Core i5-7600K, launched today, is the other unlocked processor from Intel’s 7th Generation line of Kaby Lake Processors. Kaby Lake is Intel’s third set of processors at 14nm, using the new 14+ process variant, which aims to give processors with a better frequency / voltage curve that translates into more performance, better efficiency, and the potential to push the silicon further and harder. Here is our review. 

The Core i5 Doesn’t Get The Glory

One of the big debates in a lot of online PC performance forums is the Core i5 vs Core i7 debate. On the one hand we __have a cheaper processor with four cores, while the other has hyperthreading and costs more. The argument always steers towards whether hyperthreading actually works, whether it is needed, whether the cost justifies it, or if it makes any difference in the workload for that user. Bearing in mind that many users will defend the hardware choice they paid their own money for, it easily becomes a slinging match if users cannot understand individual use cases. That’s typically where objective reviews, either written or video, come into effect. There are a number of YouTube channels that cite an i5 vs i7 review as their biggest (or one of their biggest, minus a video on a truck) reviews.

Ultimately it comes down to this: in most cases, the Core i5 will perform equal or reasonably equal to the Core i7, especially when it comes to gaming. As a result, there’s no need to spend the extra, especially given that the Core i7 typically comes at a large ($50-$100) premium, which could be better spent getting an SSD or a better graphics card.

In the case of the Core i5-7600K, the matter is compounded by both the presence of Skylake and the frequency settings of the 7600K itself. From other testing (see our extensive Kaby Lake coverage), we’ve shown that Kaby Lake offers little-to-no clock-for-clock gain in performance – a Skylake at 4 GHz performs the same as a Kaby Lake at 4 GHz. So technically an out-of-the-box Core i5-7600K will perform similarly to a mildly overclocked Core i5-6600K, albeit at lower power (Kaby Lake has efficiency benefits due to a better voltage/frequency profile). If a user cares more about performance than power, then they might as well pick up an i5-6600K cheap when retailers start reducing their stock.

On top of this, the frequency difference between the Core i5-7600K and Core i7-7700K is somewhat larger than normal. Starting with the i5 at 4.0 GHz base with a 4.2 GHz turbo, the Core i7-7700K starts with 4.2 GHz base with a 4.5 GHz turbo. At no point do the two intersect, and there could arguably by a 500 MHz difference in performance. That might actually start to get noticeable in some frequency bound gaming.

So while the Core i5 doesn’t get the glory, the Core i5-7600K has more of an uphill struggle than most Core i5 parts in recent memory.

Meet Kaby Lake i5-K

Intel's 7th Generation of Core CPUs, which often goes by its internal code name 'Kaby Lake', stretches from 91W on the mainstream desktop down to 4.5W for notebook processors, all using the same underlying technology in different core and integrated graphics configurations. The i7-7700K is the top part of this processor family, featuring four cores with hyperthreading, and we move down through the Core i5 and Core i3 parts. This time there are three overclocking processors, with the new one being the Core i3-7350K. That CPU is the subject of another review.

Intel Kaby Lake S SKUs
  Cores
Threads
Base
Turbo
IGP L3 eDRAM TDP Cost
i7-7700K 4/8 4.2/4.5 HD 630 8 MB - 91 W $305
i7-7700 4/8 3.6/4.2 HD 630 8 MB - 65 W $272
i7-7700T 4/8 2.9/3.8 HD 630 8 MB - 35 W $272
i5-7600K 4/4 3.8/4.2 HD 630 6 MB - 91 W $217
i5-7600 4/4 3.5/4.1 HD 630 6 MB - 65 W $199
i5-7600T 4/4 2.8/3.7 HD 630 6 MB - 35 W $199
i5-7500 4/4 3.4/3.8 HD 630 6 MB - 65 W $179
i5-7500T 4/4 2.7/3.3 HD 630 6 MB - 35 W $179
i5-7400 4/4 3.0/3.5 HD 630 6 MB - 65 W $170
i5-7400T 4/4 2.4/3.0 HD 630 6 MB - 35 W $170
i3-7350K 2/4 4.2 HD 630 4 MB - 60 W $157
i3-7320 2/4 4.1 HD 630 4 MB - 51 W $139
i3-7300 2/4 4.0 HD 630 4 MB - 51 W $129
i3-7300T 2/4 3.5 HD 630 4 MB - 35 W $129
i3-7100 2/4 3.9 HD 630 3 MB - 51 W $109
i3-7100T 2/4 3.4 HD 630 3 MB - 35 W $109

At a tray price of $217, the Core i5-7600K is quite a saving over the overclockable i7 which is $303, meaning an $86 tray price difference off the bat. For users on a budget, that could be the difference between a good RX 460 and a cheap RX 480, or moving to a 256GB storage drive over a 128GB one. Despite the price difference, it is more the performance that draws the K processors, which will be the subject of this review.

 
Intel Core i5-7600K (left) vs Intel Core i7-7700K (right)

 

The differences between the Core i7 and Core i5 are similar to those from previous generations – no hyperthreading on the Core i5, and a reduced L3 cache from 8 MB to 6 MB. Aside from the frequency difference, this element of cache could also come into play in memory heavy benchmarks, such as WinRAR.

Comparing it to the previous generation i5-6600K Skylake processor, we get the same configuration of cache hierarchy. The main difference between the two will be support for DDR4-2400 on the Kaby Lake rather than DDR4-2133, updated integrated graphics, a new generation of Speed Shift, AVX Offset support, and support for Intel’s ‘Optane Memory’.

Speed Shift v2

For the Intel’s 6th Generation of processors, Skylake, they introduced Speed Shift (v1). This was a feature that, at a high level, gave control of the voltage/frequency curve from the operating system to the processor. Using a series of internal metrics, such as instruction analysis and frequency, the CPU would automatically adjust the voltage and frequency of the processor as required. This afforded two major benefits: one, with the CPU in control it has access to many more points on the curve compared to the OS which is limited to specific P-states on the processor.

The second benefit is the speed of transition. A processor that can ramp up to a high frequency quickly and then drop down as needed can get through instructions quicker but also save power. Imagine driving a car, and having to wait 60 seconds to change a gear – it’s that sort of analogy.

What Speed Shift v2 does in the Kaby Lake family, compared to v1 in Skylake, is manage those transitions to higher frequency faster. Before Speed Shift, transitions from idle to peak turbo were on the order of 100 milliseconds, and Speed Shift v1 took that to 30 milliseconds (with a good base established within 15). Speed Shift v2 means that peak performance from idle now happens in 10-15 milliseconds total. This means that interactions with the OS, such as touch, or actions that rely on low latency, can occur within a couple of frames on a 60 Hz display.

The benefit of Speed Shift lies a lot in touch devices, which perhaps doesn’t affect the desktop Kaby Lake processors in this review, but also in web interactions. A lot of web work is stop and start, such as scrolling or javascript functions.

There is one caveat however – Speed Shift currently only works in Windows 10. It requires a driver which is automatically in the OS (v2 doesn’t need a new driver, it’s more a hardware update), but this limitation does mean that Linux and macOS do not benefit from it. I would be hard pressed to not imagine that Apple and Intel were not working on a macOS driver, but as yet we __have not had confirmation that one exists.

Optane Memory Support

The latest memory technology to hit prime time is Intel and Micron’s 3D XPoint. This is a non-volatile form of data storage that is bit addressable and can be used as DRAM or storage. Despite being at least a decade in the making, and being formally announced in 2014, it is still yet to show up commercially as it is still being developed. Intel plans to create 3D XPoint DRAM that is slightly slower than normal DRAM but both denser (more of it) and non-volatile (keeps the data after power loss, saves power altogether), as well as 3D XPoint Storage that is faster than standard NAND flash, and more configurable. It the scheme of things, we expect the storage based products to hit the market first.

Intel, as far as we can tell, is set to release two main classes of product: Optane DRAM to be pin-compatible with DDR4 and require Optane DRAM enabled processors, and Optane SSDs which should work with any PCIe storage interface. ‘Optane Memory’ however, is something a little different. Based on pre-briefings, Optane Memory is certainly not Optane SSD we were told, but rather a storage cache for mechanical hard-drives. We’ve had this before with NAND flash drives, using Intel’s Rapid Storage Technology, and it seems that Kaby Lake and 200-series chipsets will support a new version of RST for PCIe-based storage. But because this is caching drive, such as the 16GB Optane Memory drives in Lenovo’s upcoming notebooks, and not Optane SSD, might lead us to believe that ‘Optane Memory’ drives are not designed to be directly user addressable.

All that being said, Intel has stated that Optane Memory standalone drives should hit the market nearer Q3 for general consumer use, which is more in-line with what we might expect to see with Optane SSDs in the enterprise space.

More about Kaby Lake

For readers that want a more in-depth take on Kaby Lake as a platform, we have a dedicated article full of information for you. We also have other articles in our Kaby Lake bonanza for launch day. 

Other articles include:

Intel Launches 7th Generation Kaby Lake (Overview and Core Improvements)
The Intel Core i7-7700K Review: The New Out-of-the-box Performance Champion
The Intel Core i5-7600K Review: The More Amenable Mainstream Performer

Upcoming (we’re at CES and didn’t have time to finish these yet):

Calculating Generational IPC Changes from Sandy Bridge to Kaby Lake
The Intel Core i3-7350K Review: When a Core i3 Nearly Matches the Core i7-2600K
Intel Core i7-7700K, i5-7600K and i3-7350K Overclocking: Hitting 5.0 GHz on AIR
Intel Launches 200-Series Chipset Breakdown: Z270, H270, B250, Q250, C232
Intel Z270 Motherboard Preview: A Quick Look at 80+ Motherboards